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Hi! ShadowedAcolyte here for projecteducate, and today we're going to talk about the categories and options in the Poetry Gallery. Well, mostly I'm going to be the one talking, but there will be discussion questions at the end!


Getting Started


So you're uploading a poem, and you've successfully navigated to Literature, and then to Poetry. What now? (I'm assuming your poem isn't in someone else's canon setting; if it is, it belongs under Literature > Fan Fiction instead.) Your first options are the "genre" categories (and yes, we're using the term loosely): Children's, Emotional, Family Life, General Poetry, Horror, Human Nature, Humor, Narrative, Nature, Romantic, Sociopolitical, Spiritual, and Transgressive.

Most of these are pretty self-explanatory, but it's easily possible that your poem could fit properly in multiple categories (a poem about romance could easily explore human nature or even spiritual themes). In these situations, pick the best fit, but don't agonize over the decision. You can use keywords in these cases to make sure someone searching for certain topics can find your poem. If none of the categories seem particularly correct for your poem, or it touches on so many topics that you can't decide which is best, your poem can always find a home in the General Poetry category.


Moving On


First, a note about Romance: it has four genre "subcategories": Erotic, General, Post-Teen (Mature), and Teen. Remember that deviantART prohibits pornographic literature even in the Erotic category; see FAQ #251: You prohibit the submission of 'pornographic literature'; what do you consider this to be? for more details. As above, if none of the categories seems correct, or multiple categories seem equally correct, choose General.

For all the other "genre" categories, and the Romance subcategories, the final organizational layer for the Poetry gallery is the set of "form" categories. Just like before, we're using the term loosely. The options are (depending on which "genre" category you chose) Concrete Poetry, Free Verse, Haiku & Eastern, Songs & Lyrics, Traditional Fixed Forms, Urban & Spoken Word, and Visual & Found Poetry.


Concrete Poetry


This gallery is for poems whose shape on the page portrays an object or objects (usually the subject of the poem). Poetry with unusual typographical arrangement that does not depict an object should be placed under Visual & Found Poetry instead.
At World's End        LITTLE BOY
 clouds
                s
                k    s
                y    k
                s    y
                c    s
                r    c
                a    r
                p    a
                e    p
      boy girl  r    e
    c o n c r e t e  r
      
  &



Free Verse


This gallery is for poems that do not fit into one of the other "form" categories. In this way it is similar to the General categories above: if none of the options seems appropriate, select Free Verse. Free Verse poems may be rhymed or have internal structure without being an established fixed form; that's perfectly fine.
Volpi.You will find that the story you tell
is very rarely your own. In Lucca,
even the smallest pebbles
breathe in the warm sunlight.
Knotted stones and cobbled roads
beat out a paper-dry heartbeat heat –
my city breathes in and out,
inhales sparrow air.
It's writing a story.
You are the pen.
You will find that in Lucca
the daisy chains forge fire
in side streets and back alleys.
Teenagers intertwine. Tell me,
odd flower, are you still closed?
Here we are colored wax;
the heat of the city melts us.
We run into each other, rhapsody
of pigments. Operas are our specialties.
Open up; feel the reds.
If not, try and see them. There is a place
of deep knife marks, a street
long as midnight –
you may learn something there.
Valentina's voice glimmers like red wine.
You may enjoy intoxications. Still,
know alcohol has no story
and will swallow your own.
Find the sign with the wolf on it.
You'll know the place. Epiphanies ring true as church-bells.
Lucca still guides the wanderers
to well sp



Haiku & Eastern


This gallery is for haiku, tanka, senryu, renga, or similar East Asian forms. These forms typically emphasize minimalism among other constraints. If you are writing in one of these forms, I'd advise identifying it in your Artist's Comments.
One Last Star   no moon to be found
in the predawn twilight,
   but one last star —
somewhere in the distance
a robin's lilting call



Songs & Lyrics


This gallery is for poems intended to be set to music. In general, these poems use rhyming and metrical patterns without falling into an established fixed form, and they are likely to have refrains. If you have a link to the music the song should accompany, or even of the song being sung, share it in the Artist's Comments!
Picnicking BluesI took my baby for a picnic, we went out in the snow.
Yes, I took her for a picnic, we went out in the snow.
She said, "Slim, it's kind of cold here" - but where else could we go?
I played guitar for my baby and my fingers got numb.
When I played guitar for my baby, my fingers got numb.
She said, "You better put your gloves on - but I like the way you strum."
I poured some wine for my baby, it was a red from oh-three.
I poured a fine wine for my baby, it was a red from oh-three.
She said, "I think a red should be warmer, but it's all right with me."
I lit a fire for my baby, I turned a tree into a torch.
Well, I lit a fire for my baby, I turned a tree into a torch.
She said, "Slim, I like the heat but our blanket will scorch."
Then it snowed for five minutes, six or eight inches fell.
Oh, it snowed for five minutes, six or eight inches fell.
My baby looked like a snowman and I looked like one myself.
My baby led me back indoors and being warm was nice.
She led me back indoors and being


Traditional Fixed Forms


This gallery is for poems that fit into an established, recognized form (excepting minimalist East Asian forms; for that, see Haiku & Eastern, above), like sonnets, ghazals, blank verse, pantoums, sestinas, or villanelles. As with Haiku & Eastern, it is a good idea to identify the form in your Artist's Comments. These forms usually have restrictions on rhyme, meter, length, and/or repetition of key elements. If a poem has restrictions that you invented yourself, it belongs under Free Verse, not here (although if you are proud of your invented form, share the details in the Artist's Comments!). A good rule of thumb for whether something counts as a Traditional Fixed Form or not would be to search for it online; if there is a Wikipedia page describing the form, it's probably "Traditional" enough to count.
Late Night CerealShe texted me to ask for milk,
A query so surreal,
For she was of the hungry ilk
Who craved for cereal.
Alas, I had no milk but soy,
Which she was wary to deploy
Within her bowl,
Within her bowl,
Her face showed she did not taste joy.
Oh Special K! 'Twas not the day
She meant for you to swim
With Mister Two-Percent, and play
Your tasty games with him.
The box was done, your final breath
Could only end in runny death.
No creaminess,
No creaminess,
A soggy grave was all she left.
All times, both good and bad, must end
In peacefulness or pain.
One moment, by your side a friend,
The next, gone and estranged.
While we still live, let's take control,
Together, let's live to the full
Like milk and flakes,
Like milk and flakes,
Creamy, crunchy in the bowl.



Urban & Spoken Word


This gallery is for poems intended to be performed aloud without significant musical accompaniment. Spoken word and slam poetry should be placed here. Since performance is such a significant part of these pieces, you might want to record yourself reading your poem, if you are able, and place a link to the recording in your Artist's Comments.
Growing Pains ManagementWhen I was four years old,
my mother told me that the sky was the limit,
so I ran face first into the
pine tree in my front yard
to get the ground knocked out of me.
When I was thirteen,
I busted my head open in band class.
In the clinic, I wiped the blood
that flooded down my face with my forearm
and made the Vice Principal vomit.
Since then, I’ve made a habit out of making
everything dangerous.
When I was seventeen, Kevin put a copy
of HOWL face down on my desk and told me
not to tell anyone. I didn’t.
He still lost his job.
Now, I’m twenty two and I don’t know
what I want to be when I grow up.
My hair is thinning faster than my
patience is thinning faster than my
blood is thinning faster than my
wallet. I buy time at the ATM
and gamble it away.
It’s all maintenance now, like so many
car parts creaking. I haven’t put on
that many miles but when you floor it
for twenty two years straight
there’s going to be some damage.
Damnit— there



Visual & Found Poetry


This gallery is for poems whose visual presentation is an unusually important aspect of the piece, but which do not fit into Concrete Poetry, above. It is also for poems using words from other sources, like blackout and found poetry. These two areas of poetry are together not because they are the same, but because the latter are often presented in a dramatic, visual style, so a given poem can easily be both.
Dazzling and Untempered by carriezona


Wrapping Up


I hope this has cleared up any misconceptions you had about the Poetry Gallery. As you might have noticed, I recommend using keywords and explanations in the Artist's Comments to share information useful to the reader that can't be divined from the "genre" and "form" categories alone. Also, the Poetry Gallery organization may change in the future; current plans and discussion about these changes is focused on this journal, which welcomes your input. If there are categories you feel are missing or unnecessary, that's the place to share your thoughts.


Discussion Questions


  • Do you have any questions about the above?
  • What is your experience using keywords on your own deviations, and/or using keywords while searching on deviantART for the work of others?
  • Do you appreciate it when a deviant shares more information about a work in the Artist's Comments (links to spoken word performances, details about a form, that sort of thing)? Do you share that information on your own work?


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IHaveNoPseudonym Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
This is a great piece. I'm a poet and I think it's fantastic that someone took the time to ensure that others knew what they were looking at and submitting their work to the right categories. Speaking of which, one of mine might be sorted incorrectly.

I like it when an author gives additional information that he/she feels is necessary to the understanding of the poem. I try to include a little information or a lot, usually dependent on the subject matter. I've gone so far as to photograph the paper that I'm writing on and taking notes on to help people understand the process behind being a poet.
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2014
Thanks for your reply! I agree, I really like detailed Artist's Comments.
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Just-To-Look1 Featured By Owner Edited Sep 3, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I do have a question. Can we even share parodies of our favorite songs, as in, the lyrics of the parody? :B
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2014
Yes, parodies are okay.
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Just-To-Look1 Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
:)
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TheseKrimzonFlames Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014
I also REALLY don't like empty Artist's Comments. Hell, my AC have many times been what's helped my work get some attention. :nod:
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TheseKrimzonFlames Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014
I use a great many keywords on every piece I submit, and I choose them with great care. Time and evidence have shown me that they work really, really well at helping me reach the exact people I'm trying reach with my work.
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SpriteBlayde Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Wonderful guide! Thank you for writing this. I think I may have put some in the wrong gallery. I will have to fix those!

And also, I hadn't realized how much I've been missing out on by not using keywords. That shall be fixed as well.
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thetaoofchaos Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014   Writer
Thanks for the category summaries. I can remember having some difficulty with them back when I first joined dA - they didn't seem self explanatory at the time.

I always use keywords on my submissions, though I have never tested their efficacy as they relate to search parameters. 
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TheseKrimzonFlames Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014
I have, and they work really, really well. :nod:
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thetaoofchaos Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014   Writer
The current system is actually not working well for me. I tested one of the new tags as a search term on my latest deviation and it doesn't show up in results at all.
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TheseKrimzonFlames Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014
Also, I just checked my various keywords, and they ARE working, just not like they used to.
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TheseKrimzonFlames Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014
No, the hastags don't work worth a damn, and they never should have been implemented, especially not without the community's input. And this whole showing everyone what keywords we use, well, just NO.
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014
I feel the same in re: your last paragraph there.
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thetaoofchaos Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2014   Writer
Hopefully the search functionality will be improved by the new tags.
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SilverInkblot Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I don't bother with keywords. I don't know how dA's algorithms work, but when searching for things, it seems to bring up words in the artist comments, or in the text itself. When I did use them, I never noticed any marked difference, so it seemed pretty pointless.

Seconding the point brought up by LiliWrites and adding that the Visual and Found Poetry gallery is largely a sad state of affairs, though that has more to do with deviants badly misunderstanding exactly what visual and found poetry is (hint: it isn't coloring a few words in your poem).
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014
Hrm. Maybe the new changes will help with that.

We're on it, at least letting it be open to text submissions. As for the state of the place, well, it's not as though Fixed Forms is devoid of miscats either.
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SilverInkblot Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Fixed forms doesn't seem like something open for misinterpretation :XD: It's in form, or it isn't.  And I can actually find fixed forms when I'm in that category. With visual/ found, pretty much everything I get back is text on a picture, or a poem someone took a highlighter to :/
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RayvensEye Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014   General Artist
Hmmm I may have a few questions in a minute or two, but need to go look at something first.
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014
Ok!
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RayvensEye Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014   General Artist
Well most of my questions were answered snooping in the gallery :)  I never knew of this category before so when i open my new account I will make sure evrything is put in the right place :) 
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014
Awesome.
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RayvensEye Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014   General Artist
:) 
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LaBruyere Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2014  Student Writer
So glad you did this. So glad. 

I actually did used to give keywords but they didn't seem to help. So I stopped and haven't for years.
And yes, I do like more info. Sometimes I do share it, sometimes, especially if I'm doing a daily challenge, I don't feel like writing yet another description. :) But if I know the poem is more symbolic than usual I tend to prefer to give hints. I do sometimes mention a bit about the form if I'm using traditional fixed form. To inspire other people to look into the form and write their own. 
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TheseKrimzonFlames Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014
I use keywords on everything, and a long time ago I checked to see how well they work, and they work really well. I've had a lot of people even tell me when they found my work that they'd just done a search for certain words.
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014
Thanks.

How would you evaluate whether or not the keywords helped?

Descriptions help readers, I think, so even when I don't think of anything to say immediately I try to put something down. I'm a fan of putting a "question for critiquers" section. The act of writing down those questions often leads to valuable editing.
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LaBruyere Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014  Student Writer
I think mostly because I didn't notice a difference between page views or comments or critiques between those with and without keywords. And when asking others how they find poetry to read on dA, it's not usually through search but through groups and features. I know that's true for myself too. For visual art I'll search by keywords, but not lit. I may try adding keywords again now that it's probably more streamlined. I do like the "more like this" feature and I think it's pretty helpful.
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014
Legit answer. Thanks.
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LiliWrites Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
My only qualm is that text-only deviations can't be uploaded to the found poetry gallery. I don't always take a picture of the process for a found poem because it gets pretty sloppy, but I'd very much like to be able to share the work in the gallery it belongs in instead of being forced to put it in free-verse. For instance, my title poems all belong in the found poetry gallery, but I have to put them in free verse instead. Who do I talk to about that?
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014
That's a good question. First, I'd put that (in all caps) in the linked journal. You seem overwhelmingly correct to me, and I'll see what I can do about it. That might be an easier change to effect than most.
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LiliWrites Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Well, I didn't do the all caps thing. :lol: Thank you dear! :hug:
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014
No caps, no action. *grin* Joking of course.
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Parsat Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2014   Writer
Keywords? Never used them. Author's comments? Yes, absolutely.
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TheseKrimzonFlames Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014
I use keywords on everything, and a long time ago I checked to see how well they work, and they work really well. I've had a lot of people even tell me when they found my work that they'd just done a search for certain words.
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Parsat Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014   Writer
That's pretty cool then.
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TheseKrimzonFlames Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014
I think the problem is the keywords people use. I use the literal key words of the piece, the words that have the most impact, and that matter.
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014
:thumbsup:
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maxnort Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2014   Writer
  • Do you have any questions about the above?

nope. I feel they are incomplete, and free verse is just being used as a bit of a catch-all. I also don't see any way around this state of affairs.

  • What is your experience using keywords on your own deviations, and/or using keywords while searching on deviantART for the work of others?

I don't use keywords. poetic forms and content are such that keyword lists could be longer than the work.

  • Do you appreciate it when a deviant shares more information about a work in the Artist's Comments (links to spoken word performances, details about a form, that sort of thing)? Do you share that information on your own work?

This, I try to do (I'm doing better than I used to), and I do enjoy finding it elsewhere. it's a major step toward having a conversation and being approachable instead of being "artistically distant"

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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014
I'm curious as to the ways you feel they are incomplete, although that's more a discussion for neurotype's linked journal. If you "mention" (use @_shadowedacolyte without the _) over there I will respond.

I have sometimes had very long keyword lists for very short poems.

I think it's good to make an effort in the AC. I like the "approachable" angle.

Thanks for commenting!
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maxnort Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014   Writer
when the dA interface supports uploads from my phone better, keywords will be easier. selecting the mandatory category is hard enough.
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014
*nod* I don't dA on a phone, so I'm not familiar with the challenges thereof.
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Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
No

When it comes to literature, keywords to me have been irrelevant because it seems that deviantART searches the text of lit deviations for matches.

Yes. It drives me nuts when the author's comments are literally left blank.
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TheseKrimzonFlames Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014
I use keywords on everything, and a long time ago I checked to see how well they work, and they work really well. I've had a lot of people even tell me when they found my work that they'd just done a search for certain words.

I REALLY don't like empty artists comments.
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014
I think it also searches the keywords (and, importantly, the AC).

I dislike that as well. The only thing I dislike more is when they are a coda to the poem--that belongs in the deviation, people!
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Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
:nod:
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